Comments on: Ain’t No Shame http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/ I'm nothing but a brash and impetuous girl striving to be true to myself while searching for somewhere to belong, someone to love, and a better version of me. Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:47:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: alana http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14317 alana Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:34:08 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14317 I never said you said that. I was just making a generic point. I never said you said that. I was just making a generic point.

]]> By: Interesting posts, weekend of 7/25/10 « Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14315 Interesting posts, weekend of 7/25/10 « Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:43:01 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14315 [...] Ain’t No Shame – Media including Perez Hilton are jumping allover teenage actress Taylor Momsen for openly talking about masturbation. Whereas when American Pie came out all those years ago no one batted an eye at the prospect of young men masturbating. [...] [...] Ain’t No Shame – Media including Perez Hilton are jumping allover teenage actress Taylor Momsen for openly talking about masturbation. Whereas when American Pie came out all those years ago no one batted an eye at the prospect of young men masturbating. [...]

]]> By: anonymous http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14314 anonymous Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:31:51 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14314 “We don’t shame guys for it, so why must we continue to shame girls for it?” Au contraire! I've never posted to your site before, but felt I had to after seeing this. While I also read about how Taylor Momsen was "shocking" and "disgusting", I had to agree with most of your points about supporting her decision to not give a shit, and having the guts to admit something freely that many people would never admit to at that age, especially when they live in the public eye. But the flipside is wondering if that's her m.o. or if it's more than that, and she's purely saying shocking/titillating stuff she knows will make press just to stay relevant and in the news, so she can land some sexy role in an upcoming movie. Not my diagnosis, but just thought it's a valid question. In response to the statement I quoted from you, I have to disagree. Maybe at our age, joking about male masturbation is the norm. But I would argue that at 16 and younger, male masturbation, at least in my school, was taboo. It was one of those things that every guy did, but didn't admit. And god forbid you did admit it or get caught, it was a free pass to get ridiculed viciously. For instance, when I was in junior high, a kid got caught by someone masturbating in the boys bathroom stall. Even though every boy was doing it at that age, that didn't stop them from bullying this kid and bringing it up every chance they got to humiliate him. It was both hypocritical and cruel. And I felt truly sorry for him. We all can agree female masturbation, whether during teenage sexual exploration years, or full grown adult women years, is still pretty taboo in society, at least compared to how male masturbation is viewed. It's come a long way though, which we get reminded of every time an actress admits to sex toy use in a interview, or when you now find vibrators for sale at CVS or Walgreens. But I just thought I'd clarify from experience that male masturbation in those teenage exploration years is maybe not as accepted amongst peers as you may think. Love your blog, Anonymous “We don’t shame guys for it, so why must we continue to shame girls for it?”

Au contraire! I’ve never posted to your site before, but felt I had to after seeing this.

While I also read about how Taylor Momsen was “shocking” and “disgusting”, I had to agree with most of your points about supporting her decision to not give a shit, and having the guts to admit something freely that many people would never admit to at that age, especially when they live in the public eye. But the flipside is wondering if that’s her m.o. or if it’s more than that, and she’s purely saying shocking/titillating stuff she knows will make press just to stay relevant and in the news, so she can land some sexy role in an upcoming movie. Not my diagnosis, but just thought it’s a valid question.

In response to the statement I quoted from you, I have to disagree. Maybe at our age, joking about male masturbation is the norm. But I would argue that at 16 and younger, male masturbation, at least in my school, was taboo. It was one of those things that every guy did, but didn’t admit. And god forbid you did admit it or get caught, it was a free pass to get ridiculed viciously. For instance, when I was in junior high, a kid got caught by someone masturbating in the boys bathroom stall. Even though every boy was doing it at that age, that didn’t stop them from bullying this kid and bringing it up every chance they got to humiliate him. It was both hypocritical and cruel. And I felt truly sorry for him. We all can agree female masturbation, whether during teenage sexual exploration years, or full grown adult women years, is still pretty taboo in society, at least compared to how male masturbation is viewed. It’s come a long way though, which we get reminded of every time an actress admits to sex toy use in a interview, or when you now find vibrators for sale at CVS or Walgreens. But I just thought I’d clarify from experience that male masturbation in those teenage exploration years is maybe not as accepted amongst peers as you may think.

Love your blog,
Anonymous

]]> By: Nell Gwynne http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14300 Nell Gwynne Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:01:50 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14300 I still think Taylor is a bit of an asshat (some of her comments regarding the disaster in Haiti really pissed me off), but this comment does make me dislike her less. And I just *love* how Perez likes to determine sexuality on his own terms. I still think Taylor is a bit of an asshat (some of her comments regarding the disaster in Haiti really pissed me off), but this comment does make me dislike her less. And I just *love* how Perez likes to determine sexuality on his own terms.

]]> By: Britni TheVadgeWig http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14295 Britni TheVadgeWig Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:49:48 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14295 I'm not saying that the girls that take the "Disney-esque" path are wrong or bad or whatever, just that that's the "expected" path for young girls to take, and Taylor has eschewed that in favor of doing her own thing, which has caused her to take a lot of slack. I’m not saying that the girls that take the “Disney-esque” path are wrong or bad or whatever, just that that’s the “expected” path for young girls to take, and Taylor has eschewed that in favor of doing her own thing, which has caused her to take a lot of slack.

]]> By: Janie http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14292 Janie Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:33:36 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14292 Too true! xoxox Too true!

xoxox

]]> By: Elodie http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14290 Elodie Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:24:02 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14290 "We don’t shame guys for it, so why must be continue to shame girls for it?" Because women's sexuality exists for male pleasure. I see this in sex toy reviews all the time: the reviewer talking about how "hubby" used the toy on her, and how much he enjoyed it, and never a peep about the woman using it by herself. “We don’t shame guys for it, so why must be continue to shame girls for it?”

Because women’s sexuality exists for male pleasure.

I see this in sex toy reviews all the time: the reviewer talking about how “hubby” used the toy on her, and how much he enjoyed it, and never a peep about the woman using it by herself.

]]> By: Solangel http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14288 Solangel Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:52:52 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14288 I don't really care for Taylor Momsen but her tweet is awesome. I'm glad someone is explaining to moms that their daughters are sexual beings . It makes me sad that me and my mom don't have that kind of relationship. I still can't talk to her about sex and I'm 24. I don’t really care for Taylor Momsen but her tweet is awesome.
I’m glad someone is explaining to moms that their daughters are sexual beings . It makes me sad that me and my mom don’t have that kind of relationship. I still can’t talk to her about sex and I’m 24.

]]> By: alana http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14287 alana Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:25:07 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14287 I agree with what you're saying and said something similar a few days ago. I do think we have to be careful not to be too overly judgemental of girls who do decide to take "the Disney-esque path of innocence and purity" though. Both expressions of sexuality are perfectly valid (as long as they are genuine and not forced by outside parties). I feel like sometimes we, feminist bloggers and such, can be too quick to criticize people like Taylor Swift because we're thinking too much about the patriarchy. By doing so we end up implying that there's only one correct way for girls to express their sexuality (not to mention erasing the experiences and choices of the individual we're criticizing). I remember talking about this issue when we read <em>The Purity Myth</em> but it has been on my mind lately. I agree with what you’re saying and said something similar a few days ago. I do think we have to be careful not to be too overly judgemental of girls who do decide to take “the Disney-esque path of innocence and purity” though. Both expressions of sexuality are perfectly valid (as long as they are genuine and not forced by outside parties). I feel like sometimes we, feminist bloggers and such, can be too quick to criticize people like Taylor Swift because we’re thinking too much about the patriarchy. By doing so we end up implying that there’s only one correct way for girls to express their sexuality (not to mention erasing the experiences and choices of the individual we’re criticizing). I remember talking about this issue when we read The Purity Myth but it has been on my mind lately.

]]> By: Ghouldilocks http://britisshameless.com/2010/07/aint-no-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-14286 Ghouldilocks Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:12:45 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=1111#comment-14286 Taylor Momsen irritates the hell out of me, but this is pretty fucking cool. Taylor Momsen irritates the hell out of me, but this is pretty fucking cool.

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