It was very intimate…I had to force myself to do it, but he needed the humiliation aspect of it so badly, it felt right to give that to him. He wanted more, and he wanted it the next day. It was a very intense experience for him. Giving him that intense experience opened up tender feelings in me that I don't normally access. I think that has made our playmate relationship very, very confusing for me emotionally. I wouldn't bring up watersports with a partner, but if they want me to do it, and if it brings them this kind of boundary pushing release that he ended up getting, I don't have a problem doing it. If my partner needs to pee on ME? maybe in the shower with the water running he can pee on my foot. Otherwise, I don't think I can do it, and it's not something I personally get off on either way.

xo mina

Licking a pussy after a woman has pissed is not the same as having a man directly piss into your mouth and drinking it. I have sucked a dick right after the guy peed and I'm certain that I've unintentionally ingested a tad bit of urine. But that's nowhere near comparable to intentionally letting a man use my mouth as a urinal.

And although your (Master) analogies showed why people had their SO's do things they wouldn't normally do, this still does not explain why anyone would want piss on someone or be pissed on. The control/submitting completely answer just doesn't do it for me. I believe there are many, many other things that a person can do to be humiliated which don't involve bodily waste. I believe that you can completely know someone inside and out without ever having to taste a drop of their piss.

I think both of you have answered this question very well, but have not changed my mind on how I feel about it. I guess if I'm ever in a D/s relationship, that's where my line would be drawn. I'm open-minded, but not THAT open-minded.

And please know that I'm certainly not judging you. Pee on each other and drink each others piss all you want. As long as you're happy, I'm happy.

Thank you both for a very well thought out post! =)

Btw, scat is a deal breaker for me. lol

But moreso to what Britni was saying, and getting to my point, where is the line? You want to give yourself to your Master completely and relinquish all control (I get that, believe you me), but what if your Master wants you to –fill in the blank– (shit, piss, bleed, spit, electric shock play, not eat for long periods of time, cut your hair, hot iron play, the list goes on and on). It's a slippery slope.

I agree that there's a fine line and sometimes you want to keep pushing and going further. We have hard limits that have been discussed, and if those ever change, obviously we will talk about them again. But for now, we have our hard limits and that's where the line is. Also, yes, I want to give as much of myself to my Master as possible, but I also trust Him implicitly. The bottom line is that while He wants to push my boundaries and have control over me, He loves me and doesn't want to hurt me. He doesn't ACTUALLY want to hurt me and He doesn't want to push me to a point that would be traumatic or really really unpleasant for me (at least I hope!). I trust that He won't do anything that would really and truly put me in danger. Which is why I refuse to play in this lifestyle with people that I don't trust.

…many people who get into these relationships do so for the wrong reasons. It is a delicate game that not everyone is equipped to play

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this. There are a lot of really dangerous and unhealthy D/s relationships out there, and a lot of unhealthy people seeking things through this lifestyle.

And, uh, I'd *love* to come see you in Chitown

But moreso to what Britni was saying, and getting to my point, where is the line? You want to give yourself to your Master completely and relinquish all control (I get that, believe you me), but what if your Master wants you to –fill in the blank– (shit, piss, bleed, spit, electric shock play, not eat for long periods of time, cut your hair, hot iron play, the list goes on and on). It's a slippery slope.

I suppose I can answer my own question by saying that, as you have said, it all comes down to concent. Whatever happens between concenting adults is up to them, as long as they are not hurting others. The line may be blurred, however, when so much power is put into the hands of a Master to make decisions for you, as his sub. I am not necessarily specifically speaking of both of you, as you both may have a mutually consentual, respectful relationship (huzzah!), but many people who get into these relationships do so for the wrong reasons. It is a delicate game that not everyone is equiped to play, and that is where I would be concerned. Lines must be clearly drawn, glowing in the fucking dark.

And PS, if you two ever want to come to Chicago for a mini-vacay, I'd love to, ahem, host you.