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		<title>By: Epiphora</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-6522</link>
		<dc:creator>Epiphora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ew. Just ew.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What&#039;s kind of horrifying is that this conversation is, in a way, similar to a rape situation. You keep saying one thing (&quot;uh, it was rape and here&#039;s why&quot;) and the dude just keeps badgering on. Kind-of terrifying, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ew. Just ew.</p>
<p>What&#39;s kind of horrifying is that this conversation is, in a way, similar to a rape situation. You keep saying one thing (&quot;uh, it was rape and here&#39;s why&quot;) and the dude just keeps badgering on. Kind-of terrifying, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: {{ d a n i m o }}</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3184</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and to champagne, i couldn&#039;t have said it better myself. except that *ANYONE* can be raped by *ANYONE* regardless of gender. i&#039;d offer something as an example but unfortunately, the only documentary i&#039;ve ever seen about female-female rape is so sub-standard i can&#039;t bring myself to recommend it to anyone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;but i can say that, statistically, one reason that same-sex rape is *SO* under-reported (officially) is because some victims report feeling like publicizing such an atrocity on themselves would take the queer rights movement a step backwards. female-perpetrated heterosexual rape often goes unreported because, sadly, we live in a world where sometimes it feels easier for a man to live with his atrocities privately and avoid the inevitable barrage of criticisms against his masculinity and the validity of his experiences (due to the legal definition of rape, at least in the united states, as an act a man commits on a woman).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to champagne, i couldn&#39;t have said it better myself. except that *ANYONE* can be raped by *ANYONE* regardless of gender. i&#39;d offer something as an example but unfortunately, the only documentary i&#39;ve ever seen about female-female rape is so sub-standard i can&#39;t bring myself to recommend it to anyone.</p>
<p>but i can say that, statistically, one reason that same-sex rape is *SO* under-reported (officially) is because some victims report feeling like publicizing such an atrocity on themselves would take the queer rights movement a step backwards. female-perpetrated heterosexual rape often goes unreported because, sadly, we live in a world where sometimes it feels easier for a man to live with his atrocities privately and avoid the inevitable barrage of criticisms against his masculinity and the validity of his experiences (due to the legal definition of rape, at least in the united states, as an act a man commits on a woman).</p>
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		<title>By: {{ d a n i m o }}</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3183</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m just. . . agape over here. . . reading line after line in abject horror.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;you fought against being held down, said no, asked him to stop, and tried to get away, therefore it was your fault? there wasn&#039;t enough evidence to convict him, therefore it was your fault? he was acting uncharacteristically, therefore it was your fault? he had dated you previously and clearly thought he could have you whenever he wanted, therefore it was your fault? he was drunk, therefore it was your fault? y&#039;know, he sounds like a real catch so let&#039;s continue defending him for a while. *rolls her eyes completely out of their sockets*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i&#039;m sorry but this child sounds like a downright ass. an ignorant, unaware &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;ASS&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. to be honest, with the mountains of excuses he&#039;s making for someone he doesn&#039;t even know, it almost sounds like he may have raped before. i would recommend staying as far the fuck away from his as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i&#039;m still coming to terms with sexual assault of my own and i don&#039;t quite know how to put my empathy into words. but i&#039;m glad you&#039;re informed and intelligent enough to know you are not &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;AT ALL&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to blame here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#39;m just. . . agape over here. . . reading line after line in abject horror.</p>
<p>you fought against being held down, said no, asked him to stop, and tried to get away, therefore it was your fault? there wasn&#39;t enough evidence to convict him, therefore it was your fault? he was acting uncharacteristically, therefore it was your fault? he had dated you previously and clearly thought he could have you whenever he wanted, therefore it was your fault? he was drunk, therefore it was your fault? y&#39;know, he sounds like a real catch so let&#39;s continue defending him for a while. *rolls her eyes completely out of their sockets*</p>
<p>i&#39;m sorry but this child sounds like a downright ass. an ignorant, unaware <b><i>ASS</i></b>. to be honest, with the mountains of excuses he&#39;s making for someone he doesn&#39;t even know, it almost sounds like he may have raped before. i would recommend staying as far the fuck away from his as possible.</p>
<p>i&#39;m still coming to terms with sexual assault of my own and i don&#39;t quite know how to put my empathy into words. but i&#39;m glad you&#39;re informed and intelligent enough to know you are not <b><i>AT ALL</i></b> to blame here.</p>
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		<title>By: Britni TheVadgeWig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britni TheVadgeWig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, the bruises that I let men leave on me physically are consensual and desired bruises. I happen to like rough sex, and that gets me off. The emotional bruises are another story, but the physical ones are most definitely consensual and desired on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, the bruises that I let men leave on me physically are consensual and desired bruises. I happen to like rough sex, and that gets me off. The emotional bruises are another story, but the physical ones are most definitely consensual and desired on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  You said no, and he failed to respect that....which does make it rape.  However, I expect (which is different from condone) that kind of behaviour from men.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s my take, though---and I&#039;m a good deal older than you, so take this as advice from grandmom, if you like---the world is NOT a safe place.  You and you alone are responsible for your safety.  It is NO ONE ELSE&#039;s responsibility to keep you safe, and you must do what is necessary to ensure that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This might include giving up some of the seriously harmful habits that you blog about----heavy or binge drinking, casual sex (hey, I like it too, but I carry wherever I go), men who like to abuse you and who leave bruises on you......because, Britni, you are very very young to have abused yourself so badly.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are a wonderful person, and I really hope you survive in better shape than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  You said no, and he failed to respect that&#8230;.which does make it rape.  However, I expect (which is different from condone) that kind of behaviour from men.  </p>
<p>Here&#39;s my take, though&#8212;and I&#39;m a good deal older than you, so take this as advice from grandmom, if you like&#8212;the world is NOT a safe place.  You and you alone are responsible for your safety.  It is NO ONE ELSE&#39;s responsibility to keep you safe, and you must do what is necessary to ensure that.</p>
<p>This might include giving up some of the seriously harmful habits that you blog about&#8212;-heavy or binge drinking, casual sex (hey, I like it too, but I carry wherever I go), men who like to abuse you and who leave bruises on you&#8230;&#8230;because, Britni, you are very very young to have abused yourself so badly.  </p>
<p>You are a wonderful person, and I really hope you survive in better shape than I did.</p>
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		<title>By: PrettyPrettyPrincess</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator>PrettyPrettyPrincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man is horrifically ignorant. It is very frustrating and exhausting to try and have a conversation with someone who is constantly looking to justify the agressor&#039;s behavior, no matter how convoluted they have to get. I&#039;ve often wondered WHY some men think this way about rape and I think it&#039;s because they picture themself in the other man&#039;s shoes, and they know THEY would not rape someone, therefore it must not have been rape (if the other guy seems like a remotely normal person). I don&#039;t know if I am saying that very well but for whatever reason these men who victim blame are overly identifying with the rapist and trying to exonerate him. It is twisted and I don&#039;t know if it is even possible to get them to identify, instead, with the victim, or to see it objectively.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And no what happened to you was NOT IN ANY WAY YOUR FAULT. For fuck&#039;s sake. I&#039;m sorry you keep having to deal with this and with people being assholes to you about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man is horrifically ignorant. It is very frustrating and exhausting to try and have a conversation with someone who is constantly looking to justify the agressor&#39;s behavior, no matter how convoluted they have to get. I&#39;ve often wondered WHY some men think this way about rape and I think it&#39;s because they picture themself in the other man&#39;s shoes, and they know THEY would not rape someone, therefore it must not have been rape (if the other guy seems like a remotely normal person). I don&#39;t know if I am saying that very well but for whatever reason these men who victim blame are overly identifying with the rapist and trying to exonerate him. It is twisted and I don&#39;t know if it is even possible to get them to identify, instead, with the victim, or to see it objectively.</p>
<p>And no what happened to you was NOT IN ANY WAY YOUR FAULT. For fuck&#39;s sake. I&#39;m sorry you keep having to deal with this and with people being assholes to you about it.</p>
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		<title>By: alana</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate this sort of thing. This is the reason I didn’t report my rape either. I felt like it wasn’t really rape since I didn’t fight or get physically hurt (even though I would have told anyone else they had been raped). It took forever for me to understand that rape doesn’t don a single mask. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I said no. He didn’t care. It was not consensual. Therefore it was rape. Period.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s easy to vilify your friend in this situation, but he’s jus the product of our society. It’s disheartening when you’re reminded of that. (Though I did see “real men don’t rape…no means no” billboards before. While I think the whole “real men” part is questionable, I think it’s a great idea.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate this sort of thing. This is the reason I didn’t report my rape either. I felt like it wasn’t really rape since I didn’t fight or get physically hurt (even though I would have told anyone else they had been raped). It took forever for me to understand that rape doesn’t don a single mask. </p>
<p>I said no. He didn’t care. It was not consensual. Therefore it was rape. Period.</p>
<p>It’s easy to vilify your friend in this situation, but he’s jus the product of our society. It’s disheartening when you’re reminded of that. (Though I did see “real men don’t rape…no means no” billboards before. While I think the whole “real men” part is questionable, I think it’s a great idea.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brilliance Proper</title>
		<link>http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/victim-blaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3132</link>
		<dc:creator>Brilliance Proper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry so late on this but as a man I know what &quot;no&quot; means when a woman says it.  Drunk or not, that shit is wrong.  Period.  Your &quot;friend&quot; has some issues when it comes to matters like this.  I have a daughter and if I were to think that way then it would be similar to saying that in the same situation it wouldn&#039;t have been rape if someone did that to her.  I think he needs to put that into perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was NOT your fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry so late on this but as a man I know what &quot;no&quot; means when a woman says it.  Drunk or not, that shit is wrong.  Period.  Your &quot;friend&quot; has some issues when it comes to matters like this.  I have a daughter and if I were to think that way then it would be similar to saying that in the same situation it wouldn&#39;t have been rape if someone did that to her.  I think he needs to put that into perspective.</p>
<p>It was NOT your fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Welcome to Chicago, Jillinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welcome to Chicago, Jillinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify: My comments were not directed at your particular situation, B.  I meant to take the convo further, in a &quot;what can we learn from this, how can we keep safe, both women from being raped, AND men from being accused of rape (the whole &quot;rape without a rapist&quot; concept).  But I definitely do not want to be misread on your particular situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify: My comments were not directed at your particular situation, B.  I meant to take the convo further, in a &quot;what can we learn from this, how can we keep safe, both women from being raped, AND men from being accused of rape (the whole &quot;rape without a rapist&quot; concept).  But I definitely do not want to be misread on your particular situation.</p>
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		<title>By: champagneandbenzedrine</title>
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		<dc:creator>champagneandbenzedrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty cut and dried to me - a woman has the right, at any point, even during consensual sex, to say &#039;no&#039; and the man has a responsibility to stop. End of story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that you were having consensual sex (agreed upon) and he then tried to shove it in your ass (not agreed upon) makes it a pretty aggressive, premeditated action on his part.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think he was probably hepped up on bravado and the fantasy that women get hot for strong, aggressive men who &#039;take what they want&#039; - but whichever way you look at it, he must be delusional or an idiot if he didn&#039;t realise what he was doing was wrong - even before he did it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do strongly agree with what &#039;Welcome to Chicago&#039; wrote about avoiding dangerous situations - we all have to take responsibility when we put ourselves in unsafe circumstances - but in this instance, you&#039;d dated before, understandably presumed that he had a basic, human sense of respect for you and couldn&#039;t realistically have expected him to do something like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s pretty cut and dried to me &#8211; a woman has the right, at any point, even during consensual sex, to say &#39;no&#39; and the man has a responsibility to stop. End of story.</p>
<p>The fact that you were having consensual sex (agreed upon) and he then tried to shove it in your ass (not agreed upon) makes it a pretty aggressive, premeditated action on his part.</p>
<p>I think he was probably hepped up on bravado and the fantasy that women get hot for strong, aggressive men who &#39;take what they want&#39; &#8211; but whichever way you look at it, he must be delusional or an idiot if he didn&#39;t realise what he was doing was wrong &#8211; even before he did it.</p>
<p>I do strongly agree with what &#39;Welcome to Chicago&#39; wrote about avoiding dangerous situations &#8211; we all have to take responsibility when we put ourselves in unsafe circumstances &#8211; but in this instance, you&#39;d dated before, understandably presumed that he had a basic, human sense of respect for you and couldn&#39;t realistically have expected him to do something like this.</p>
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