Comments on: My Fingers Are Crossed http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/ I'm nothing but a brash and impetuous girl striving to be true to myself while searching for somewhere to belong, someone to love, and a better version of me. Sat, 11 Dec 2010 07:29:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: {{ d a n i m o }} http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3181 {{ d a n i m o }} Thu, 28 May 2009 10:43:40 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3181 i still can't believe this has become such a nationwide topic. i've been fighting in california since the beginning of this whole mess yet i never really understood how many lives it would touch. at least half of the people fighting this proposition aren't even residents of california! i was surprised to read so many e-mails from around the country thanking me before november's election for my dedication to and work for the cause. it just goes to show how fucking united we are and how pure of a cause this is to transcend arbitrary borders and boundaries.<br /><br />i love you, sage, but when people use the argument that "the voter's have decided and that's that," i find it absolutely deplorable. one citizen <b><i>cannot</i></b> have the power to take away the rights of another. that's just not the america that i know. i still can't believe this has become such a nationwide topic. i've been fighting in california since the beginning of this whole mess yet i never really understood how many lives it would touch. at least half of the people fighting this proposition aren't even residents of california! i was surprised to read so many e-mails from around the country thanking me before november's election for my dedication to and work for the cause. it just goes to show how fucking united we are and how pure of a cause this is to transcend arbitrary borders and boundaries.

i love you, sage, but when people use the argument that "the voter's have decided and that's that," i find it absolutely deplorable. one citizen cannot have the power to take away the rights of another. that's just not the america that i know.

]]> By: Butch http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3173 Butch Wed, 27 May 2009 23:10:07 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3173 My attitude is this:<br /><br />When the voters overturn Prop 8 (and they will), the courts now have precedent -- no, you can't overturn it through the courts. Try voting on it again. What's good for the goose and all that.<br /><br />If you look at demographic trends in polling, marriage equality is inevitable. It's sad that it will take a few more years, but at least we know the next victory will be permanent. My attitude is this:

When the voters overturn Prop 8 (and they will), the courts now have precedent — no, you can't overturn it through the courts. Try voting on it again. What's good for the goose and all that.

If you look at demographic trends in polling, marriage equality is inevitable. It's sad that it will take a few more years, but at least we know the next victory will be permanent.

]]> By: Britni TheVadgeWig http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3158 Britni TheVadgeWig Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05:07 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3158 Sage: I think that if you look back through my archives, you will notice that I DO try to implore the people to vote for same-sex marriage and not just the courts. Try <a href="http://britnidanielle.blogspot.com/2008/10/say-no-to-hatred.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://britnidanielle.blogspot.com/2008/10/soap-boxing.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />And Promo Homo makes a very good point re: interracial marriage. Do you mind if I ask, I know that you state that you don't care who marries who, and I know that we fall on two very different sides of the political fence. I know you vote Republican, which is pretty much against same-sex marriage, but if a bill/amendment like this was up for vote in your state (which it kind of was this election, and unfortunately passed, but I digress), would *you* vote for or against allowing same-sex marriage (as decided by, YOU, one of the people)? Sage: I think that if you look back through my archives, you will notice that I DO try to implore the people to vote for same-sex marriage and not just the courts. Try here and here.

And Promo Homo makes a very good point re: interracial marriage. Do you mind if I ask, I know that you state that you don't care who marries who, and I know that we fall on two very different sides of the political fence. I know you vote Republican, which is pretty much against same-sex marriage, but if a bill/amendment like this was up for vote in your state (which it kind of was this election, and unfortunately passed, but I digress), would *you* vote for or against allowing same-sex marriage (as decided by, YOU, one of the people)?

]]> By: The Promo Homo http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3157 The Promo Homo Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:50 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3157 Southern Sage:<br /><br />First of all, it is never right for a majority to vote on the rights of a minority. These things should not be put to a vote in the first place when it comes to civil rights of Americans. I'd also like to point out that the courts had to overturn the voters decisions on interracial marriage back in the day. Uneducated bigots should not get control just because they are the majority vote. No. Not right.<br /><br />Secondly, there were something like 2 million votes that were actually never counted. There was a CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION that happened to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY from citizens with only a 4% difference (52% ruled YES and 48% ruled NO), but in actuality we will never know because the absentee ballots were never counted.<br /><br />And don't you even get me started on Mormons that moved to CA just in time to vote Yes on 8 and then moved back to wherever they came from.<br /><br />Your logic is fucking flawed. When do I get to vote on your civil rights? If it effected you at all, you'd not fall back on the "oh it's what the voters wanted" bullshit. Southern Sage:

First of all, it is never right for a majority to vote on the rights of a minority. These things should not be put to a vote in the first place when it comes to civil rights of Americans. I'd also like to point out that the courts had to overturn the voters decisions on interracial marriage back in the day. Uneducated bigots should not get control just because they are the majority vote. No. Not right.

Secondly, there were something like 2 million votes that were actually never counted. There was a CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION that happened to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY from citizens with only a 4% difference (52% ruled YES and 48% ruled NO), but in actuality we will never know because the absentee ballots were never counted.

And don't you even get me started on Mormons that moved to CA just in time to vote Yes on 8 and then moved back to wherever they came from.

Your logic is fucking flawed. When do I get to vote on your civil rights? If it effected you at all, you'd not fall back on the "oh it's what the voters wanted" bullshit.

]]> By: Southern Sage http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3154 Southern Sage Wed, 27 May 2009 07:09:47 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3154 Well of course I have a different take. I don't the court should make law. The people voted and thats how it should be.<br />If the people don't have a voice then we might as well be in communist Russia. Where the government makes personal decisions. See you have to understand that if the courts get to decide then what of the will of the people? You also must think that sometime the court might reverse and over turn.<br /><br />All that being said I have blogged many times that I don't care who marries who or who marries what, I don't, if it doesnt cost me money or hurt kids then I dont care, I think if they wanna the marry em up, hell they surely will have a better record than hetero's do!<br /><br />All states will allow within the next 5-10 years, by vote.<br /><br />Think about it, you really don't want 5-10-15 people to over turn the will of the majority. They will do it right before lng I assure you. I have never missed a political prediction.<br /><br />Good post, but I would advise to educate and try to persuade the PEOPLE and not the courts to make the right call. Well of course I have a different take. I don't the court should make law. The people voted and thats how it should be.
If the people don't have a voice then we might as well be in communist Russia. Where the government makes personal decisions. See you have to understand that if the courts get to decide then what of the will of the people? You also must think that sometime the court might reverse and over turn.

All that being said I have blogged many times that I don't care who marries who or who marries what, I don't, if it doesnt cost me money or hurt kids then I dont care, I think if they wanna the marry em up, hell they surely will have a better record than hetero's do!

All states will allow within the next 5-10 years, by vote.

Think about it, you really don't want 5-10-15 people to over turn the will of the majority. They will do it right before lng I assure you. I have never missed a political prediction.

Good post, but I would advise to educate and try to persuade the PEOPLE and not the courts to make the right call.

]]> By: {{ d a n i m o }} http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3139 {{ d a n i m o }} Tue, 26 May 2009 19:54:38 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3139 i hate finding out about this via text message. gah.<br /><br />it sucks 'cuz in san diego, i'm always on the streets to march or rally for or against this or that. but in la i don't have much independence. elias likes to do everything with me but he's too quiet and shy to be political the way i am, the loud way. lol and we live too far from anywhere for me to travel there without him anyhow. blech. i hate finding out about this via text message. gah.

it sucks 'cuz in san diego, i'm always on the streets to march or rally for or against this or that. but in la i don't have much independence. elias likes to do everything with me but he's too quiet and shy to be political the way i am, the loud way. lol and we live too far from anywhere for me to travel there without him anyhow. blech.

]]> By: April http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3138 April Tue, 26 May 2009 19:42:12 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3138 Man that's such a shame! I'm sad. =(<br /><br />You go Promo!!! Man that's such a shame! I'm sad. =(

You go Promo!!!

]]> By: The Promo Homo http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3136 The Promo Homo Tue, 26 May 2009 17:22:41 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3136 nooooooooooo :(<br /><br />hitting the streets tonight.<br /><br />Rally locations across the country:<br /><br />http://dayofdecision.wetpaint.com/<br /><br />TAKE IT TO THE STREETS FOR EQUALITY! nooooooooooo :(

hitting the streets tonight.

Rally locations across the country:

http://dayofdecision.wetpaint.com/

TAKE IT TO THE STREETS FOR EQUALITY!

]]> By: Meg http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3125 Meg Tue, 26 May 2009 14:37:45 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3125 Mine too, Brit. Mine too. Mine too, Brit. Mine too.

]]> By: champagneandbenzedrine http://britisshameless.com/2009/05/my-fingers-are-crossed/comment-page-1/#comment-3121 champagneandbenzedrine Tue, 26 May 2009 12:14:57 +0000 http://britisshameless.com/?p=749#comment-3121 I just think it's sad it had to be 'fixed' by the courts - I can't believe the people in California voted for Prop 8. And now that the SC has dealt with it, all the retarded conservatives are going to accuse them of 'legislating from the bench' and undermine the importance of same-sex marriage with a load of constitutional codswallop. I just think it's sad it had to be 'fixed' by the courts – I can't believe the people in California voted for Prop 8. And now that the SC has dealt with it, all the retarded conservatives are going to accuse them of 'legislating from the bench' and undermine the importance of same-sex marriage with a load of constitutional codswallop.

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